Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/24/2001 10:32 AM Senate HES

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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                   
       SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                                                                   
                         February 24, 2001                                                                                      
                            10:32 a.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
Senator Lyda Green, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chair (via teleconference)                                                                            
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Jerry Ward                                                                                                              
Senator Bettye Davis (via teleconference)                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All Members Present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION QUALIFYING EXAM                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
See minutes dated 1/27/01, 1/31/01, 2/12/01, 2/14/01 and 2/21/01.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Darroll Hargraves                                                                                                           
Executive Director                                                                                                              
Alaska Council of School Administrators                                                                                         
326 4th, Suite 404                                                                                                              
Juneau, AK  99801                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports delaying the implementation of the                                                              
HSGQE                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Ed McLain                                                                                                                   
Kenai Peninsula Borough School District                                                                                         
144 North Binkley St.                                                                                                           
Soldotna, AK  99669                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed the Kenai Peninsula Borough School                                                             
District's approach to standards and the HSGQE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Charlie Epperson                                                                                                            
Aleutians East Borough School District                                                                                          
PO Box 349                                                                                                                      
Sand Point, AK  99661                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Doesn't like the test and thinks that                                                                    
standards can be met without making students take a test.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carl Rose                                                                                                                   
Association of Alaska School Boards                                                                                             
316 W 11th St.                                                                                                                  
Juneau, AK  99801                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Took no position on the HESS Committee's                                                                 
proposal.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jerry Dixon                                                                                                                 
PO Box 1058                                                                                                                     
Seward, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports the HESS Committee's proposal but                                                               
expressed concern about lack of funding for schools.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Jan Chatto                                                                                                                  
PO Box 3206                                                                                                                     
Kodiak, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports the HESS Committee's proposal but                                                               
commented on the needs of special needs students and teenagers in                                                               
general.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Barb Morris                                                                                                                 
PO Box 874254                                                                                                                   
Wasilla, AK  99687                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports differentiated diplomas; opposed to                                                             
using the HSGQE as the end-all.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Tammy Smith                                                                                                                 
4201 York Avenue                                                                                                                
Fairbanks, AK  99709                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Is concerned that differentiated diplomas                                                                
would restrict a person later in life.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Michael Jones                                                                                                               
PO Box 1393                                                                                                                     
Nome, AK  99762                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports delaying the implementation of the                                                              
HSGQE but opposed to the HSGQE in general.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sharon Swope                                                                                                                
Superintendent & Director of Special Education                                                                                  
Nome Public Schools                                                                                                             
PO Box 131                                                                                                                      
Nome, AK  99762                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports the HESS Committee's proposal.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Janette Peterson                                                                                                            
Valdez High School                                                                                                              
PO Box 2617                                                                                                                     
Valdez, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed to C average requirement and                                                                     
attendance requirement.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nancy Burley                                                                                                                
North Slope Borough School District                                                                                             
PO Box 555                                                                                                                      
Barrow, AK  99723                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Expressed concern about special education                                                                
students regarding graduation requirements.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Catherine Winkler                                                                                                           
PO Box 10                                                                                                                       
Wainwright, AK  99782                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Does not support standardized tests to                                                                   
measure of a person's abilities.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mary Wegner                                                                                                                 
203 Jeff Davis St.                                                                                                              
Sitka, AK  99835                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Outlined her concerns with the HESS                                                                      
Committee's proposal.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millie Ryan                                                                                                                 
Governor's Council on Disabilities                                                                                              
  and Special Education                                                                                                         
PO Box 240249                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, AK  99524-0249                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports the HESS Committee's proposal as a                                                              
starting point, made recommendations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Judy Kearns-Steffen                                                                                                         
1101 Halibut Point Road                                                                                                         
Sitka, AK  99835                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports a phase-in approach, opposed to too                                                             
many levels of diplomas.  Made suggestions regarding special                                                                    
education students.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Connie Bensler                                                                                                              
Anchorage Principals' Association                                                                                               
11000 Birch Road                                                                                                                
Anchorage, AK  99516                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports a phased-in approach.  Discussed                                                                
her concerns with the phases in the HESS Committee's proposal.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Guy Okada                                                                                                                   
Anchorage School District Special Education                                                                                     
2909 W 88th Ave.                                                                                                                
Anchorage, AK  99502                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed his view of the pros and cons of                                                               
the HESS Committee's proposal.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steve Cathers                                                                                                               
Valdez City Schools                                                                                                             
PO Box 307                                                                                                                      
Valdez, AK  99686                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports the HESS Committee's proposal but                                                               
it needs a waiver option.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wes Knapp                                                                                                                   
Aleutians East Island Borough School District                                                                                   
PO Box 349                                                                                                                      
Sand Point, AK  99661                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  The HSGQE is not a standards-based                                                                       
assessment.  Expressed concern about an increase in the drop out                                                                
rate.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Robyn Rehmann                                                                                                               
Anchorage School District Special Education                                                                                     
4800 DeBarr                                                                                                                     
Anchorage, AK  99516                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Recommends that a wider variety of                                                                       
assessments be available to demonstrate competency.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-13, SIDE A                                                                                                            
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN LYDA  GREEN called the Senate Health, Education  & Social                                                          
Services  Committee meeting  to order  at 10:32  a.m.  Present  were                                                            
Senators Wilken,  Ward and Green and  Senators Davis and  Leman were                                                            
participating via teleconference.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN announced  that  delaying  the date  for the  High                                                            
School Graduation Qualifying  Exam (HSGQE) is not being discussed by                                                            
the committee.   The committee  is focusing  on finding a  different                                                            
way  to report  back  on the  results  of the  test and  what  those                                                            
results will  mean to students.   She asked  participants to  direct                                                            
their  comments to  the proposal  provided  by the  committee.   She                                                            
noted the  committee is not  going to discuss  whether the  HSGQE is                                                            
right or wrong.  The question  before the committee is if it were to                                                            
remake  and retool  the test  for use  to help  students,  teachers,                                                            
administrators   and   the  Department   of  Education   and   Early                                                            
Development (DOEED), what kind of a test would it be.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 176                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DARROLL HARGRAVES,  Executive Director of the  Alaska Council of                                                            
School Administrators  (ACSA), said that no position  has been taken                                                            
on this issue by any of  ACSA's organizations.  However, individuals                                                            
have  been alerted  and  will  be testifying  before  the  committee                                                            
today.  He read the following testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     First  let me  say that  I represent  the  principals  and                                                                 
     superintendents of the state.   They believe in standards,                                                                 
     quality  schools and  graduation diplomas  that represent                                                                  
     excellence and academic achievement by graduates.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     School administrators  have expressed with statements  and                                                                 
     resolutions   the  belief  that  a  delay  would  make  it                                                                 
     possible for  school districts to accomplish an  alignment                                                                 
     of  the curriculum  that is  required for  students to  be                                                                 
     successful.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     We have  seen some good come  from the efforts to require                                                                  
     the exit exam.   Administrators tell me that students  and                                                                 
     parents  began to pay more attention,  as it became  known                                                                 
     that  the  exit exam  was  on the  way.   There  are  some                                                                 
     problems surfacing that  were not expected when the effort                                                                 
     was initiated.  I am confident,  Senator Green, that's why                                                                 
     you put the present proposal  before us for consideration.                                                                 
     These  problems have  caused consideration  of a delay  in                                                                 
     the implementation of the exam.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     These  problems were  the very same  problems Indiana  and                                                                 
     other  states  have  encountered  and some  of  them  have                                                                 
     revised  the way they approach  the issuance of diplomas.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     It is  apparent the  state policy makers  in Alaska  today                                                                 
     have read the future and  they believe, like Indiana, that                                                                 
     costly  lawsuits are  appearing  on the horizon.   I  have                                                                 
     talked  with the leaders  in Indiana  who believe that  it                                                                 
     was  the  threat  of  legal  action  that  propelled   the                                                                 
     consideration and acceptance  of the diploma they adopted.                                                                 
     But  putting  all  of  that  aside,   the  legal  bit  and                                                                 
     everything  else  - the  policy making,  I think  that  we                                                                 
     should only look at these  things in light of what is best                                                                 
     for students.   After it is all said and done,  what is it                                                                 
     that is best for the student?                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     I  would  present to  you  that there  are  those diploma                                                                  
     options.   We could just simply  keep what we have in  the                                                                 
     state now  and proceed on.  We could go to a diploma  that                                                                 
     denotes  academic   or  vocational.    That's  a  type  of                                                                 
     tracking  diploma  that was  used in  the '50s  and  '60s.                                                                 
     Over the past  three decades we've come to be  enlightened                                                                 
     to  the   point  that  no  child   should  be  considered                                                                  
     differently, that everybody  should get the same thing and                                                                 
     the conclusion  to that is that  we prepare every student                                                                  
     academically to go to the  University or college.  Perhaps                                                                 
     it  is time  to revisit  a thought  like that.   We  could                                                                 
     adopt the  Indiana model, or some revised model  of it and                                                                 
     that's what  you'll be hearing a lot about today  from our                                                                 
     school administrators.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     There's  another   consideration  that  I've  given   some                                                                 
     thought  to and I've  tracked down  that it  is a type  of                                                                 
     option  that's held in  one or two other  states, and  has                                                                 
     been  in the past.   For  example, we  could consider  two                                                                 
     diploma   options   -  one   that  reflected   the   state                                                                 
     requirement  that  includes  the exit  exam and  one  that                                                                 
     reflects  local requirements,  a state diploma or a  local                                                                 
     school  diploma.   A school  diploma could  be simply  the                                                                 
     minimal  requirements  to  graduate,  pretty much  as  you                                                                 
     would  have now.  But for those  students that wanted  and                                                                 
     needed to be challenged,  and the parents and families who                                                                 
     are  behind them,  you could  have the  inclusion of  that                                                                 
     exit exam  and have a state endorsement  or state diploma                                                                  
     at that point.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN noted  that Senator Leman was participating offnet.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  commented that the  HSGQE has been beneficial  as far                                                            
as  getting  everyone  focused  on  accountability  but  the  actual                                                            
implementation  of the exam is where  the challenges lie.   He noted                                                            
that his proposal delays  the implementation of the exam requirement                                                            
for a few years for that reason.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  ED MCLAIN,  Assistant  Superintendent  of the  Kenai  Peninsula                                                            
Borough School District,  informed committee members that he was co-                                                            
chair of the original  math standards committee, which  began in the                                                            
1990s  and  co-chair of  the  math  content review  of  the  renewal                                                            
committee.   He has been  involved in the  standards and  assessment                                                            
effort  for quite  awhile.   In addition,  he has been  on the  tech                                                            
review committee since its inception.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MCLAIN  thanked   Chairwoman  Green  for  her  leadership   and                                                            
proposal.   He  informed  the  committee  that the  Kenai  Peninsula                                                            
Borough  School District  passed  a  policy supporting  a  certified                                                            
diploma  one  year   prior  to  the  state's  adoption   of  similar                                                            
legislation.   The district is committed  to the idea that  students                                                            
should  be  able  to  demonstrate  some   level  of  proficiency  to                                                            
graduate.   Additionally,  the district has  levels of achievement:                                                             
basic,  proficient and  advanced.   The foundational  [basic]  level                                                            
focuses on  those things a person  should be able to do to  function                                                            
at an introductory level  in society.  The proficiency level focuses                                                            
on what  is ideal for a  student to be able  to do upon graduation.                                                             
The  state's  math, reading  and  writing  standards  reflect  those                                                            
larger  competencies.   The advanced  level is quite  advanced  - he                                                            
provided models of that level to the committee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. MCLAIN cautioned  that some of the details in  the proposals are                                                            
best worked out by districts,  in particular the issue of attendance                                                            
and what should  be included for the  proficient and advanced  level                                                            
diplomas.    Districts  want  to  provide  students   with  multiple                                                            
opportunities   and  formats   but  those   things  are  done   more                                                            
appropriately  in classrooms where teachers have the  flexibility to                                                            
observe students over time.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 757                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  said  she  already  thought   about  turning  the                                                            
responsibility for attendance  and the "C" average grade requirement                                                            
over to the districts  by requiring districts to make  a decision on                                                            
those requirements.   She pointed  out that some districts  have not                                                            
addressed those  issues, which is  problematic.  She indicated  that                                                            
school boards  in small districts may be reluctant  to take on those                                                            
issues  because of  local criticism  but will  have  to if they  are                                                            
required to  do so.   She noted that  her proposal does not  address                                                            
what classes are to be taught.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MCLAIN replied  that  in a  package that  he  submitted to  the                                                            
committee on February  9, he laid out a diagram.   The diagram makes                                                            
a distinction  between the  targeted and  taught curriculum.   There                                                            
are a variety  of things the Kenai  district believes should  be the                                                            
goal  of all  students  and the  goal of  its  standard curriculum.                                                             
However,  if a student  does not  achieve that  level, the  district                                                            
would not  deny a diploma  if a student is  unable to do that.   The                                                            
Kenai district  believes the  question is:  what is essential  for a                                                            
student  to know  to be able  to participate  in our  society?   The                                                            
district asked community  leaders, teachers and business people that                                                            
question.   That is a process that  DOEED is now moving toward.   It                                                            
is  not so  much a  lowering  of the  standards  but  instead it  is                                                            
focusing  on  them.   He  believes  the  HESS  Committee's  proposal                                                            
addresses that question as it speaks to a core curriculum.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked if  the diploma of  foundational mastery  on                                                            
page 2 of the proposal is what he is referring to.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. MCLAIN said  it appears to be very similar, although  he has not                                                            
seen any details.   He noted that the Kenai district  spent a lot of                                                            
time describing  what the foundational  skills will look  like.  The                                                            
Kenai district  first looked at what the foundational  skills should                                                            
be and then looked  at the performance standards to  match them with                                                            
the measures.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MCLAIN   informed  the  committee   that  the  Kenai   district                                                            
recommends  that  the  state  focus  its  primary  emphasis  on  the                                                            
assessment  at the essential  level and let  the districts  sort out                                                            
what is defined as above and beyond.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Regarding  students   with  an  IEP,  the  Kenai  district   special                                                            
education  department looked  at that issue  and made the  following                                                            
suggestions.                                                                                                                    
   · Given  that the  HSGQE focuses  on essential  skills,  students                                                            
     with  disabilities should  be expected to  pass the exam  or an                                                            
     alternative assessment to receive a high school diploma.                                                                   
   · All  students  who  successfully   complete  the  HSGQE  or  an                                                            
     alternate assessment  and meet other district requirements will                                                            
     receive  a diploma.   This  differs from  the current  proposal                                                            
     which  would  not grant  a diploma  to  students  who take  the                                                            
     alternate assessment.                                                                                                      
   · A  student's IEP  or 504 team  would adhere  to all  applicable                                                            
     federal  and state laws and regulations  when making  decisions                                                            
      relative to that student's participation in the HSGQE.                                                                    
   · Three  basic  pathways should  be  available to  students  with                                                            
     disabilities   regarding  the  exam.    First,  students  could                                                            
     participate  without modifications or accommodations.   Second,                                                            
     students    could    participate    with    modifications    or                                                            
     accommodations.    Third,  students  could  participate  in  an                                                            
     alternative assessment.                                                                                                    
   · When  a  decision  by  the  team  is  made  for  a  student  to                                                            
     participate  in  a regular  assessment with  accommodations  or                                                            
     modifications, those  accommodations or modifications should be                                                            
     specified  on the IEP or 504 plan.  The IEP or  504 plan should                                                            
     document the reason for their use.                                                                                         
   · Accommodations or  modifications identified for students should                                                            
     be those  that lessen the effect  of the student's disability.                                                             
   · When no  accommodations or modifications  can compensate  for a                                                            
     student's  disability on  a particular  part of the HSGQE,  the                                                            
     student may  be exempted from that particular  part and the IEP                                                            
     should  state that  no accommodations  or  modifications  would                                                            
     compensate.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. MCLAIN said  the district feels the accommodations  or exemption                                                            
should be documented  on the IEP because it believes  the state will                                                            
be  able  to  track,  from  school  report  cards,   patterns  where                                                            
unusually high  numbers of students are being awarded  diplomas that                                                            
did  not take  part of  the exam  or had  accommodations.   The  IEP                                                            
documentation   will  be  able  to   provide  answers.     IEPs  are                                                            
individualized, therefore  rather than try to write a law that would                                                            
cover  all of the  unique details,  the district  recommends  simply                                                            
recognizing  that  the  IEP  team  needs to  be  involved  and  that                                                            
documentation  must  be provided.   He  continued  giving the  Kenai                                                            
district's recommendations for students with disabilities.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · Accommodations and modifications should not give a student                                                                 
     with  a  disability   an  unfair  advantage,  compromise   test                                                            
     security  or  artificially   raise  the  test  score  for  that                                                            
     student.      However,   adherence   to   the   standard   test                                                            
     administration   rules   or  procedures   should  not   be  the                                                            
     determining    factor    when    deciding    the   appropriate                                                             
     accommodations or modifications for a student.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. MCLAIN  pointed out the  district was  thinking of a deaf  child                                                            
when it wrote that recommendation.   He offered to send his comments                                                            
to the committee in written form.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN thanked Dr. McLain.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD commended  the Kenai district's special  education team                                                            
for its well-thought  out recommendations.   He noted that  he had a                                                            
nephew who needed special  education services. His nephew decided he                                                            
wanted to join  the Merchant Marines, which demanded  a higher grade                                                            
point average  than  his nephew was  expected to  achieve under  his                                                            
IEP.   His  nephew  was  able  to achieve  the  higher  grade  point                                                            
average.  He  questioned when an IEP  team decides a student  is not                                                            
capable of  passing the HSGQE,  whether no  test would be issued  or                                                            
whether a simpler test would be issued.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. MCLAIN said he and  the district believe that the very nature of                                                            
an IEP team  means that professionals  and parents are involved  and                                                            
decide what is  the best for that particular student.   There may be                                                            
times when  the team may  decide that an  alternative assessment  is                                                            
appropriate.    Some  people  fear  that opens  the  door  for  some                                                            
students  to "get away"  with not demonstrating  their abilities  to                                                            
the fullest.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  said he agrees with  the approach of bringing  the IEP                                                            
team into the exam picture.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. MCLAIN  said  in his 29  years in  education, he  has seen  many                                                            
students  surpass what others  expect of them.   He noted there  are                                                            
students with  good work habits who demonstrate hard  work efforts -                                                            
skills that  are valued by society.   He commented, "For  him not to                                                            
be able to check off that  he's received a diploma, we think it just                                                            
fails the good kid test, if you will."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN announced  that Senator Davis was participating via                                                            
teleconference.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHARLIE EPPERSON, the  principal of False Pass School, expressed                                                            
concern that  the primary  focus of the meeting  today is to  gather                                                            
input from educators around  the state who are preparing students to                                                            
take  the HSGQE.    The main  questions  seem to  be  who should  be                                                            
required to take  the test and what should be the  effective date of                                                            
the requirement  to pass  the test.   Both questions  are the  wrong                                                            
questions  to be asking.   The original intent  behind enacting  the                                                            
legislation  that requires passing  the HSGQE to earn a diploma  was                                                            
to require  accountability of public  education.  He recommended  an                                                            
online  article entitled,  The Setting  Standards  Movement and  Its                                                          
Evil Twin,  by Scott Thompson, Assistant  Director of the  Panasonic                                                          
Foundation.  Mr.  Thompson argues against high stakes  testing.  Mr.                                                            
Thompson   says  we  need   to  distinguish   between  high   stakes                                                            
standardized-test   based  reform   and  authentic  standards-based                                                             
reform.    The  distinguishing  factor  between  the  two  is  their                                                            
respective influence  on the instructional core of  schooling and of                                                            
equity issues.   When progress is judged by a single  indicator, the                                                            
common  effect is  to narrow curriculum  and  reduce instruction  to                                                            
test prepping.   It is possible  to require  all students to  meet a                                                            
rigorous  set of standards  in order  to graduate  from high  school                                                            
without  using a single  test as  the means  of determining  whether                                                            
those standards have been  met.  We should be interested in students                                                            
who can  produce high  quality work  rather than  students who  have                                                            
mastered the ability  to take standardized tests.   It is the former                                                            
who will be rewarded  in their personal lives after  graduation when                                                            
their test  taking skills  will no longer  be relevant.  He  pointed                                                            
out in 1994 and 1995 the  state board of education adopted voluntary                                                            
standards  in 10  core subject  areas.   The HSGQE  addresses  three                                                            
areas.   He  suggested  that  students  would  be better  served  if                                                            
districts  are required  to  adopt  and teach  mastery  in those  10                                                            
areas.  A one page test  in each area could be used to determine the                                                            
student's level  of mastery.  He cautioned  that this should  not be                                                            
an unfunded mandate as it may require a lot of remediation work.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1883                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CARL ROSE,  Executive  Director of  the Association  of  Alaska                                                            
School  Boards (AASB),  said  the AASB  supports  standards and  the                                                            
HSGQE.   The AASB would like  to set the  standards high and  refine                                                            
the assessment so that  we know what a basic and essential skill is,                                                            
and put a sunset  clause in the bill.  AASB has passed  a resolution                                                            
asking for  an extension date of the  consequences of the  exit exam                                                            
until 2004.  In phase 2,  potential endorsements would be recognized                                                            
on diplomas  with a sunset date to  2004.  That will give  districts                                                            
the  time they  need to  refine  the assessment  so  that basic  and                                                            
essential skills are defined.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Alaska is behind in student  achievement.  The HESS Committee's bill                                                            
provides  for a  second phase  but the  95 percent  attendance  rate                                                            
provision  is the type of  issue that the  state tried to move  away                                                            
from when it adopted a  standards-based approach.  If there is a way                                                            
to talk about  how to give local school  districts more discretion,                                                             
that goal  would merit discussion.   Most  people are suspicious  of                                                            
grade inflation.   If it is standards that we want,  we need to hold                                                            
the line on that and make  sure that every child has an opportunity.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE said  he  listened  with  great interest  to  Dr.  McLain.                                                            
Everything  Dr. McLain suggested  is accomplishable  but whether  it                                                            
can be done with a piece  of legislation is of concern.  Once again,                                                            
with the  timeline for  the diploma,  this is  a political  football                                                            
that the  legislature may  want to give back  to the professionals.                                                             
He suggested  the  legislature  state what  it wants  but allow  the                                                            
state board  of education and DOEED  to come up with the  product by                                                            
2004.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN said  the more this issue is discussed,  the more likely                                                            
it is that the  committee will turn many of those  decisions over to                                                            
the  state board  of education.    The issue  the  committee has  to                                                            
deliberate, however,  is that many legislators do  not want to delay                                                            
the implementation  date.  What she thinks will work  is to continue                                                            
to require  the  test, but  to make  the distinction  that the  test                                                            
alone will  not keep  anyone from  graduating, and  a passing  grade                                                            
will be  acknowledged,  and to lower  the test  score or change  the                                                            
test  so  that  only  essential  skills  are  required.    Regarding                                                            
attendance  and some level of proficiency,  she feels it  is best to                                                            
require  that  the  districts  address  attendance  but to  let  the                                                            
districts  do so  in  whatever manner  they  choose.   Her  thinking                                                            
behind following  the Indiana statutes was to give  that student who                                                            
could not pass the test  but attended, took all required courses and                                                            
maintained  a C average  an opportunity  to obtain  a diploma.   She                                                            
reminded Mr. Rose that the proposal is only a suggestion.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said he appreciates  her comments.  He is concerned that if                                                            
we provide a pathway  of mediocrity, some parents  will come forward                                                            
with a  lesser expectation.   The  point of the  standards and  exit                                                            
exam is to build an on-ramp  for excellence.  Maybe not all children                                                            
will be  able to take and  pass the exam,  but they will learn  more                                                            
than they would on a pathway  of mediocrity.  He believes this issue                                                            
must be resolved  within the next two months or we  will not be able                                                            
to avoid the  2002 deadline but we  must resist the urge  to fail on                                                            
the side of urgency.  The  endorsement approach with a sunset clause                                                            
in 2004  will provide a way  to move forward,  continue to  give the                                                            
exam,  recognize  excellence,  and give  the people  who  need to  a                                                            
chance to revisit some of the snags in the current plan.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2281                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JERRY  DIXON, the building  and area  representative for  NEA in                                                            
Seward,  said he is  speaking  as a parent  on his  own behalf.   He                                                            
supports  the HESS  Committee's  proposal.   He  likes  the idea  of                                                            
offering  different  levels of  graduation  requirements.   He  also                                                            
likes the idea  of phasing this approach  in.  His major  concern is                                                            
that teachers  will be  blamed when  students do  not qualify  for a                                                            
diploma. State funding  has been cut by 30 percent by the foundation                                                            
formula  that went  into effect  in 1991.   Recently,  eight of  his                                                            
colleagues have taken jobs  outside of Alaska because of better pay.                                                            
 While he supports  the HESS Committee's  proposal, he is  concerned                                                            
that districts  will have trouble  finding the caliber of  educators                                                            
they need.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  pointed out that a  major revision of the  foundation                                                            
formula took place  three years ago and increased  education funding                                                            
by $26 million.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-13, SIDE B                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JAN CHATTO,  a  teacher  at Kodiak  High  School,  said she  is                                                            
testifying  on her own behalf.   This is her  20th year teaching  in                                                            
the Kodiak School District.   She teaches 6th grade and is currently                                                            
the director  of an alternative program  in the Kodiak High  School.                                                            
She has also taught  special education.  Her daughter  is a graduate                                                            
of Kodiak High School and  the University of California and received                                                            
a Masters  Degree  from the  University  of Alaska  Southeast.   Her                                                            
daughter  has a learning  disability.  She  wonders if her  daughter                                                            
would have had  the opportunity to continue her education  under the                                                            
current  testing  scheme.    The University  of  California  had  no                                                            
problem  allowing her  daughter to  use her  compensatory skills  to                                                            
work around  her disability  and work with  her strengths.   That is                                                            
one of the main  problems she sees with the current  test situation.                                                            
We all have strengths and  weaknesses and as adults we learn to play                                                            
to our  strengths.   This test would  stop many  students from  ever                                                            
developing  their   strengths.    She  is  pleased   with  the  HESS                                                            
Committee's proposal.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHATTO expressed  concern about the effect testing  will have if                                                            
students  get discouraged  and drop  out.  A larger  number  of drop                                                            
outs will create  a societal problem.  She asked if  we are prepared                                                            
to offer  those students  vocational  training. She  pointed out  in                                                            
Europe, students  are tested  for college entry.   Those who  do not                                                            
score high enough  are offered a sophisticated choice  of vocational                                                            
programs.  She noted the  only solution she has heard to his problem                                                            
is that students can take  the test again and receive remedial help.                                                            
She doesn't know if that is good enough.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHATTO  said that she  is also concerned  about the accuracy  of                                                            
testing to  determine a student's  ability  to succeed.  One  of the                                                            
characteristics of teenagers  is extreme emotions.  She has found it                                                            
difficult to determine  a student's true ability if extreme emotions                                                            
get  in the  way.   She has  often  found that  she  cannot teach  a                                                            
concept until  she helps a student  overcome an unrelated  emotional                                                            
hurdle.  The exit  exam will be one more emotional  hurdle that many                                                            
young people are not prepared  to deal with.  She questioned whether                                                            
the test will  reflect a student's true academic ability  or who can                                                            
maintain a lower emotional response to the testing.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2254                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARB  MORRIS,  speaking  on  behalf  of  the  Mat-Su  Education                                                            
Association,   stated  support  for  offering  different   types  of                                                            
diplomas  so that the district  is more able  to meet the needs  and                                                            
abilities  of  all  students.    Standards  and  accountability  are                                                            
important for  our education system.  However, developing  divergent                                                            
skills and interests  in students is also important.   As a resource                                                            
teacher for 20  years, she has taught many intelligent  students who                                                            
would  not have  passed  portions  of the  exit  exam.   They  have,                                                            
however, gone  on to college, apprenticeships,  vocational  schools,                                                            
or other job training and  are successful citizens.  The test should                                                            
be used as one more tool, not the end-all.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. TAMMY  SMITH, a  3rd grade  teacher and  parent from  Fairbanks,                                                            
said she only  planned to testify on delaying the  exam to a certain                                                            
year.  She looked at the  HESS Committee's proposal and noticed that                                                            
it would  offer five different  diplomas.   She is not sure  how she                                                            
feels  about that  approach  and whether  it  "splits  hairs."   The                                                            
levels have the potential  to determine the direction of a student's                                                            
life for years  to come.  She questions  whether teenagers  are able                                                            
to make those  kinds of decisions.  Students may choose  a technical                                                            
diploma  but  decide  to  go  to college  later  on,  which  may  be                                                            
difficult  because they  are  not considered  to have  the level  of                                                            
mastery necessary.   She cautioned that this approach  could inhibit                                                            
potential growth later on.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH asked  why the name of teachers  who teach each  course in                                                            
high  schools must  be submitted  to DOEED.   She  pointed out  that                                                            
younger,  inexperienced  teachers  often do  not get  to select  the                                                            
classes they teach.   She favors delaying the exit  exam requirement                                                            
to 2006.  As a  3rd grade teacher, she gave the benchmark  exam last                                                            
year.   She has  found that  the material  she is  teaching has  not                                                            
changed,  but  the  methods  she uses  has.    Current  high  school                                                            
students have  not had that same benefit.  She asked  legislators to                                                            
look  at what  is happening  in states  in  which the  exit exam  is                                                            
critical to the  life of students and the drop out  rates across the                                                            
nation.   She asked  legislators  to not  move too  quickly on  this                                                            
issue and to  listen to the experts  in the field: the teachers  and                                                            
administrators.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN explained  that item number 7 on page  3 of the proposal                                                            
applies to high  school courses only.  Currently no  report is given                                                            
to either DOEED or the  state board of education of what courses are                                                            
being offered  in school districts at any one time.   DOEED needs to                                                            
know  whether courses  are  being  taught by  a teacher  or  through                                                            
correspondence  or a distance  learning program.   The fear  is that                                                            
core courses  are not being taught  in our high schools and  if that                                                            
is  the  case,  that  must  be  changed.    DOEED  first  needs  the                                                            
information to determine whether that is the case.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1989                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHAEL  JONES,  a teacher  at the  alternative  high school  in                                                            
Nome, said his  first impulse is to ask that the committee  continue                                                            
to discuss  the role of the HSGQE  and consider abandoning  the exam                                                            
entirely.  Too  much is at stake and enough time,  money, energy and                                                            
research  have gone  into the creation  and  implementation of  this                                                            
exam.  Many questions are  unanswered regarding this exam - it would                                                            
be irresponsible to not  postpone the effective date to 2006.  It is                                                            
unfair  to ask  current high  school students  to wait  and just  be                                                            
patient  while everyone  else figures  it  out.  In  the attempt  to                                                            
regain  or maintain  the  accountability  of schools,  teachers  and                                                            
students,  it is  the  students who  will  first feel  any  negative                                                            
effects.  He asked whether  authentic and reasonable alternatives to                                                            
this exam are being considered.   No two students learn the same way                                                            
or express  what they learn  the same way.   As teachers are  asked,                                                            
urged and required  to develop alternatives  and authentic  means of                                                            
assessing learning,  it seems absurd  to place such importance  on a                                                            
high  stakes  pencil   and  paper  test.    He  applauds   the  HESS                                                            
Committee's  proposal  in  that it  shows  some  thinking  regarding                                                            
alternatives.   Senator  Green's  statement  regarding  the exam  as                                                            
recorded in  this week's Anchorage  Daily News is correct:   at this                                                            
point  just postponing  the exam  will not  solve the  problem.   He                                                            
fears  that the multi-tiered  diploma  system proposed  by the  HESS                                                            
Committee  could create  a type of  caste system  among Alaska  high                                                            
school graduates.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES believes  the following questions should  be considered in                                                            
the HESS Committee's proposal.                                                                                                  
   · How will these diploma alternatives be functionally different                                                              
     or the same?                                                                                                               
   · How will the late bloomer, the student who is disinterested in                                                             
     high school although capable, be affected later when pursuing                                                              
     his or her academic career?                                                                                                
   · How does this help the student?                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
If the  test continues  to be required  for a  student to receive  a                                                            
diploma,  the test needs  to be adjusted.   Real means of  assessing                                                            
student  knowledge  should   be developed   -  not  alternative  and                                                            
potentially  unequal  diplomas.   He asked  the Senate  to  consider                                                            
delaying the testing until an appropriate plan is created.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1839                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. SHARON  SWOPE,  Director of  Special Education  and the  interim                                                            
superintendent  for the Nome Public School District,  stated support                                                            
for the HESS  Committee's differentiated  diploma system.   The Nome                                                            
District advocates clearly  for higher standards-based education for                                                            
all students,  and supports the HSGQE requirement,  but it sincerely                                                            
asks that access  to the diploma system  be expanded to include  all                                                            
students.   The current system  will ensure  that a large number  of                                                            
students  will fail  the  exam, the  consequences  of  which are  no                                                            
diploma.   The  system  in place  disenfranchises  large  groups  of                                                            
students, such  as special education,  special needs, ESL,  and high                                                            
risk students.  The passing  scores will have to be lowered to avoid                                                            
denying those students  a diploma.  The consequence of that approach                                                            
is a lower value of the  diploma.   The Nome District believes those                                                            
alternatives  are  not  in  the  best  interest  of  students.    It                                                            
advocates  for  the  consideration  of  the differentiated   diploma                                                            
system as proposed in the HESS Committee's proposal.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. SWOPE said  that the HESS Committee's proposal  enfranchises all                                                            
of  the  students  that  would  currently   be  excluded.  It  needs                                                            
development  and  specificity but  the  Nome district  supports  the                                                            
model in  concept.  It allows  the much needed  time to collect  the                                                            
appropriate  data and determine the  validity of the test.   It also                                                            
allows  districts  time to  address  litigious issues  before  them.                                                            
This model  allows  the districts  to establish  their own  specific                                                            
requirements  for graduation  and allows for  local control  of each                                                            
community.   This  proposal also  allows that  DOEED articulate  and                                                            
focus on the needed resources to implement remediation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked  Ms. Swope if the Nome district  has an attendance                                                            
requirement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SWOPE said it does.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  asked if it has anything  that refers to a grade  point                                                            
average.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SWOPE replied  the Nome district is currently  in the midst of a                                                            
rather  significant education  reform.   The  district is  operating                                                            
right now on the Carnegie  system but it is moving toward asking for                                                            
a waiver  of that so  that it  can use a performance  and  standards                                                            
based  system  that will  have  levels.   When  that  transition  is                                                            
complete, grades  will be of less importance and more  emphasis will                                                            
be place on meeting performance and standards criteria.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  asked what the  attendance requirement  is in  the Nome                                                            
district.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. SWOPE said that students  are permitted no more than 10 absences                                                            
per year.   Students  who are  absent more  than that  go before  an                                                            
attendance committee to discuss the reasons.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1626                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JANETTE  PETERSON,   Special  Education  Director   and  School                                                            
Psychologist at  the Valdez School District, informed  the committee                                                            
that Idaho  implemented  the C  average requirement  and 90  percent                                                            
attendance policy  in the 1980s and dropped them because  it did not                                                            
work.  One of  her concerns about the C average requirement  is that                                                            
it is  not quantifiable;  it  is simply  a measurement  of what  one                                                            
student does  in one teacher's classroom  on a particular  day.  She                                                            
believes we need  to look at a system that is standards-based.   She                                                            
agrees with  the approach suggested  by Ms. Swope.  The state  needs                                                            
to  find some  type  of  alternative  to the  attendance  and  grade                                                            
requirements.   She  noted  that Mr.  Charlie  Epperson's  testimony                                                            
reflects  everything she  feels about  the test.   She is  concerned                                                            
that  10 standards  have  been  identified  by  the state  board  as                                                            
important yet only three  of them are included on the HSGQE.  She is                                                            
also  concerned  about  students  who  have  outstanding  skills  in                                                            
reading and writing  but do not have outstanding skills  in math and                                                            
that those students  may be denied the opportunity  to contribute to                                                            
society because  of poor math skills.   She believes there  is a way                                                            
to emphasize  what those  students can contribute  rather than  what                                                            
they can't.  She  also expressed concern that summer  school classes                                                            
or remedial classes  are not offered in districts  around the state.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  informed teleconference  participants  that a  draft of                                                            
her proposal  was  available on  the Alaska  Legislature's  Majority                                                            
website at www.akrepublicans.org under her name.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1355                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. NANCY BURLEY,  Special Education Coordinator of  the North Slope                                                            
Borough  School District,  informed  the committee  that she has  29                                                            
years experience  as a special education teacher,  administrator and                                                            
diagnostician.   She maintained that  IDEA 97 clearly requires  that                                                            
school districts  provide  a free and appropriate  public  education                                                            
designed to develop independent  living skills and employment skills                                                            
for children with  disabilities aged 3 through 21.   The fundamental                                                            
issue  that the  HSGQE presents  to  the special  education  student                                                            
population  is that of its appropriateness.   The second  mandate of                                                            
PL 94-142,  since  its inception  in 1975,  has called  upon a  team                                                            
approach  in the  design  of the  child's  education  program.   The                                                            
function  of this team  is critical  to the success  of the  special                                                            
education   student   as   these   teams  are   charged   with   the                                                            
responsibility  of identifying the  unique needs and preferences  of                                                            
the  child in  setting  up an  appropriate  educational  program  as                                                            
determined  by the child's  whole school outcome.   The HSGQE  takes                                                            
away  the decision  making  obligation  of the  IEP team.   This  is                                                            
contradictory  to  the  mandate of  federal  law  and is  a  totally                                                            
discriminatory practice  for disabled children.  It seems inherently                                                            
unfair to  expect disabled  children to meet  the same standards  as                                                            
their  peers.   Congress  in its  wisdom  early on  recognized  that                                                            
disabled  children must  be held  to individualized  standards.   No                                                            
single  measure  is  ever  adequate  to  determine  eligibility  for                                                            
programs  for special  needs  students.   By  making  the HSGQE  the                                                            
measure of  success, we are setting  our special education  students                                                            
up for failure.  Drop out  rates will increase if children realize a                                                            
high  school diploma  is unobtainable.    The outcome  will be  that                                                            
children with  disabilities will exit  school and be unprepared  for                                                            
the  world  of  work,   lacking  the  basic  skills  necessary   for                                                            
independent  living.  Any and all  decisions regarding eligibility,                                                             
placement and programs  are made by the IEP team.  It is clearly the                                                            
obligation of the IEP team  to develop educational programs designed                                                            
to promote  student success.   It is her opinion  that the  IEP team                                                            
should  decide  if  the HSGQE,  or  some  other  instrument,  is  an                                                            
appropriate  assessment  instrument  to determine  if  the child  is                                                            
prepared to effectively make the transition from school to work.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BURLEY said  the  North  Slope Borough  School  District  could                                                            
support  different diplomas  but she expressed  caution about  using                                                            
the term "IEP completion  certificate" as that could be construed as                                                            
a breach of confidentiality.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN asked  Ms. Burley  if the  North Slope  Borough  School                                                            
District currently has different diplomas.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BURLEY said every child receives the same diploma.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN  noted that  many  districts  use  different  diplomas,                                                            
particularly  for those  students who are  severely developmentally                                                             
disabled.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CATHY WINKLER,  a teacher  in  Wainwright, said  she  considers                                                            
herself an advocate for  children with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS).                                                            
She has  not seen the HESS  Committee's proposal  but the  testimony                                                            
that  she has heard  gives  her hope.   She expressed  concern  that                                                            
standardized  tests do  not show the  abilities  of the student  who                                                            
cannot divide on paper  but can take a snow machine apart and repair                                                            
it without  replacement  parts.  She  stated that  she hopes  if she                                                            
ever had  to crash  land in  a plane  she would be  lucky enough  to                                                            
encounter the student with  that knowledge rather than one who could                                                            
only  pass  the  HSGQE.    She  noted  that  many  FAS  children  go                                                            
undiagnosed and that teachers  must learn on-the-job about the needs                                                            
of those  students.  There is no  Master's program  specializing  in                                                            
FAS/FAE anywhere for regular  education teachers. She questioned why                                                            
a student  cannot be  certified for  each area  of the exam  passed.                                                            
Ms. Winkler  also questioned  what she should  tell students  who do                                                            
not qualify for special  education who will never pass the math test                                                            
but have  overcome amazing  setbacks in life.   She also noted  that                                                            
three  of her  students  committed  suicide  in  the past  year  and                                                            
questioned  how anyone could survive  another child's suicide.   She                                                            
expressed concern that  educators might build children up to believe                                                            
that life is  full of possibilities  only to tell them they  failed.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN said she would  rotate among the teleconference sites to                                                            
take testimony.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 877                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARY WAGNER,  Sitka School District Special Education  Director,                                                            
said she  is concerned about  the lack of  options being offered  to                                                            
students.  In  her opinion, the whole point of high  standards is to                                                            
give meaning  to a high school diploma,  however we have  to balance                                                            
this need with appropriate  educational opportunities that will meet                                                            
the needs and  goals of all learners.  In order to  do that, we need                                                            
to implement  some  kind of accountability  system  that will  allow                                                            
students of differing abilities  to achieve their goals.  People not                                                            
involved  in  the  education  community  do not  realize  the  broad                                                            
spectrum  of  learners  in the  schools.    We need  a  system  that                                                            
motivates  all  students  to  achieve  to  their  highest  potential                                                            
without  stigmatizing them  or taking  away their  dignity.   A high                                                            
stakes exam  that only allows  a certain  percentage of students  to                                                            
receive  a  diploma  has  failed.   She  thanks  Senator  Green  for                                                            
starting the discussion  on options, however there are some problems                                                            
with her  proposal.  First,  a diploma that  identifies students  as                                                            
being in special  education violates federal law.   We simply cannot                                                            
have  a special  education  diploma.   In  addition,  the  education                                                            
community  is not allowed  to share with the  general public  that a                                                            
person is or has  been in special education.  Second,  what does a C                                                            
grade mean?  The  whole point of a standards-based  curriculum is to                                                            
do away with  potentially arbitrary  grades and instead to  focus on                                                            
mastery of  specific skills.  The  Sitka school district  is working                                                            
toward a district  wide standards-based report card.   This criteria                                                            
of a letter grade seems  contrary to the whole standards movement in                                                            
Alaska.   Third, what about  students who move  out of Alaska?   The                                                            
categories  established in the HESS  Committee's proposal  will have                                                            
no meaning  to somebody outside  of Alaska.   Fourth, as a  point of                                                            
clarification,  she is assuming that the exit exam  scores listed on                                                            
the transcript  will be the  highest scores  earned by the  student.                                                            
One possible  option to the  HESS Committee's  proposal would  be to                                                            
have an honors  diploma for students  who achieve passing  scores on                                                            
all three portions  of the exam.  All other students  who could meet                                                            
the school graduation  requirement would then earn  a diploma.  This                                                            
would focus  on the positive rather  than the negative and  would be                                                            
easier  for  schools  to manage.    As  an educator  she  is  asking                                                            
legislators  to  consider this  as  a viable  option.   Students  in                                                            
elementary  and middle grades have  had the benefit of intervention                                                             
strategies  early on, unlike the current  high school students.   In                                                            
addition,  she  encourages  legislators  to  continue  the  work  on                                                            
developing  appropriate exams  and accommodations  for the  learning                                                            
disabled and developmentally disabled populations.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  informed  Ms. Wagner  that Senator  Ward has drafted  a                                                            
bill that  will do what she  suggested.  That  bill provides  for an                                                            
endorsement on the diploma  for the student who exhibits proficiency                                                            
in mathematics,  reading  and/or writing.   The  student who  is not                                                            
eligible  for endorsement  would have  a different  type of  symbol.                                                            
The  committee  will  discuss  that proposal  once  it  is  formally                                                            
introduced.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 624                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLIE  RYAN, the acting  executive director  of the  Governor's                                                            
Council on Disabilities  and Special Education, said the Council has                                                            
been very concerned  about the impact  of the exam on students  with                                                            
disabilities.     The  Council   has  submitted   some  preliminary                                                             
recommendations   to the  committee.     The  Council  believes  the                                                            
proposal  on the table is  a good starting  point but it offers  the                                                            
following things  to think about.   First, in terms of remediation,                                                             
we need to  ensure that there are  a variety of remediation  courses                                                            
and approaches  available.    If students  are taught  the same  way                                                            
they've  always  been  taught,   they  may  not  benefit  from  that                                                            
remediation.  Second, the  Council would like to see an expansion of                                                            
the number of  endorsements that are available to  students on their                                                            
diplomas.  For  example, a student who can pass one  portion but not                                                            
the others  should receive  an endorsement  for the subject  passed.                                                            
Third,  the Council  asks the  committee to  consider employability                                                             
standards and an endorsement  for students who meet those standards.                                                            
That will  let employers  know that  the student  will come  to work                                                            
with  a  good  attitude,  will  work  well   with  people,  and  has                                                            
demonstrated  work skills.   The state  has developed employability                                                             
standards but  it is the Council's  impression that those  standards                                                            
have not been  implemented to any great degree and  particularly not                                                            
for children who are receiving special education.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  said if there  is a vocational-technical  endorsement,  we                                                            
need to ensure  that students receiving  special education  services                                                            
have  equal   access  to   those  classes.     Many  students   with                                                            
disabilities can excel  in vocational-technical classes and graduate                                                            
with  skills  to offer  employers  but  they  need access  to  those                                                            
classes.    Regarding  allowable  accommodations,   those  that  are                                                            
allowable are not necessarily  being made available to students when                                                            
they take  their examinations.   The Council  recommends that  until                                                            
there is a very solid method  for determining what is allowable, and                                                            
that  a  broad  group   of  stakeholders  have  determined   a  good                                                            
accommodation policy, the  accommodations that are generally allowed                                                            
in life and in  the world of work be allowable, such  as calculators                                                            
and spell checkers.  The  Council would like to see a group convened                                                            
to look at accommodations.   The Council would be happy to convene a                                                            
group to do that.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN said  a group  from Career  Pathways will  be giving  a                                                            
presentation to  the committee on the employability  standards issue                                                            
on March  7.   She assumes  that information  will  be forwarded  to                                                            
DOEED  and the  state school  board and  they will  integrate  those                                                            
standards.   She pointed  out that her proposal  uses the term  voc-                                                            
tech but  that the  term employability  standards  would be  better.                                                            
She  asked if  the  Governor's  Council  will be  called  in on  the                                                            
accommodations portion  if the employability standards issue goes to                                                            
the state board of education.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN said she would hope so.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 270                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JUDY KEARNS-STEFFEN,  a  special  education teacher  in  Sitka,                                                            
stated  support for  phasing in implementation  of  the HSGQE.   She                                                            
would  like to  see educators  on the  committee to  talk about  the                                                            
phases.    She believes  the  proposal  contains  too  many  levels.                                                            
Rather than  offering an  advanced mastery  or foundational  mastery                                                            
diploma, perhaps  grades and transcripts can be put  on the diploma.                                                            
For IEP or 504 students,  the diploma might state that modifications                                                            
were made or that the students took an alternative assessment.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CONNIE   BENSLER,  President   of  the  Anchorage  Principals'                                                             
Association, said  her comments are her own.  She  reviewed the HESS                                                            
Committee's proposal.   She supports high standards in education and                                                            
accountability  for  school  districts  but she  hopes  no one  uses                                                            
performance  on  the standardized  test  as the  measure  of a  well                                                            
educated student.   There are many  other components of a  student's                                                            
education that  better indicate whether a student  is well educated.                                                            
She definitely  favors phasing in the test.  However,  she does have                                                            
concerns  about  the  phased-in  approach.   Under  phase  one,  the                                                            
students  who  do not  pass  the test  are  most  likely  to be  the                                                            
students  who have  difficulties  across the  board in  school.   If                                                            
those students  are  locked into having  to do  certain things  like                                                            
attend school  95 percent of the time  and maintain a C average,  we                                                            
may  be  decreasing  their  ability   to  function  in  the  current                                                            
education  program.    She  spent   many  years  as  a  high  school                                                            
administrator and a number  of students who were going to college on                                                            
athletic scholarships  had to deal  with NCAA rules and approval  of                                                            
courses.   It  was an  absolute nightmare  trying  to get  a lot  of                                                            
courses that are new, different,  remedial, optional - just slightly                                                            
different  from core  courses,  approved by  NCAA.   If we add  that                                                            
difficulty  to  the  already  rigorous   22.5  credits  required  to                                                            
graduate, some of the students  may be pushed to the 20 year old bar                                                            
and will be too old to continue in school.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BENSLER  said phasing  in the  endorsement that  is attached  to                                                            
each diploma causes  her some concern, particularly  about tracking:                                                            
college  prep endorsement  versus  foundational  endorsement  versus                                                            
vocational-technical  endorsement.   Technology is such a  huge part                                                            
of  her high  school's  curriculum  across the  board,  it would  be                                                            
difficult  to separate students  who are  technologically  competent                                                            
and at a master  level from those students on a college  prep track.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN  explained  that  neither  is mutually  exclusive  -  a                                                            
student could have multiple endorsements.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BENSLER  said the  other  thing  that worries  her  about  that                                                            
particular part  of this proposal is that under each  mastery level,                                                            
the board is  expected to develop  the appropriate curriculum.   She                                                            
is all for state standards  but it scares her when a state developed                                                            
curriculum  is discussed.  In Anchorage  alone, each high  school is                                                            
so unique that even though  the district has standards, only four of                                                            
the same courses  are taught in each  high school.  The rest  of the                                                            
course offerings  are student driven.   For example, if 90  students                                                            
request  advanced  placement  chemistry,  then  the  principal  must                                                            
provide 3 classes  of AP chemistry.   If only five students  want to                                                            
take that class, it probably will not be offered.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. BENSLER said she likes  the idea of a differentiated diploma and                                                            
agrees  with Ms. Wegner  that allowing  schools  to offer an  honors                                                            
diploma and  regular diploma  would be simple,  clean and would  not                                                            
micromanage  schools.   She  said  the Anchorage  district  loses  6                                                            
instructional  days per  school year  when it  administers the  test                                                            
because it is given to 10th, 11th, and 12th graders.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  said she thought Ms.  Bensler would like this  proposal                                                            
as it requires the test to be given on an in-service day.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BENSLER  said the problem  with that is  in-service days  are so                                                            
precious and necessary for staff development.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN noted  that many people  have expressed  concern  about                                                            
one-third  of the  student population  who are  disenfranchised  and                                                            
without leadership while the exam is being administered.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. BENSLER  said maybe the school  year needs to be extended.   She                                                            
is concerned  that  the bottom  line  of a  good school  is a  great                                                            
teaching  staff, which requires  staff development  time.   She also                                                            
expressed concern about  the item in the proposal that would require                                                            
school districts  to submit a list  of courses taught to  DOEED.  As                                                            
the curriculum principal  at Service High School, she had to prepare                                                            
such a list for  the NCAA.  That list is a very fluid  document that                                                            
changes from  semester to semester,  based on what students  want to                                                            
take.   If  the  proposal is  referring  to  core courses,  that  is                                                            
different.   The names of teachers  teaching each course  changes as                                                            
well.  Teachers  will feel paranoid about that requirement  as well.                                                            
She noted that  many high schools are offering creative  programs to                                                            
get out of the box of seat  time and traditional delivery systems so                                                            
she is concerned about that requirement.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN repeated that  her proposal is just three pages of words                                                            
and  is a starting  point.   She  noted that  there is  a very  real                                                            
problem  in Alaska  when DOEED  and the  state school  board  cannot                                                            
determine what  courses are being offered in the state.   We have to                                                            
have that  information to  substantiate that  the courses that  will                                                            
qualify students to take  a standardized exam are being taught.  She                                                            
suggested  that  schools  could  send  their  schedules  from  their                                                            
registrars.    That requirement  is  not  meant  to be  invasive  or                                                            
regulatory.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WENSLER  indicated  that listing  what is being  taught is  very                                                            
different from  listing what is being offered.  Schools  offer a lot                                                            
of courses but don't always teach everything offered.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  stated that requirement  is not meant to be  difficult;                                                            
it is for informational purposes only.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 757                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUY  OKADA, principal   of Dimond  High  School,  informed  the                                                            
committee  that  right  now,  75 Dimond  juniors  are  working  with                                                            
teachers for five hours  today to prepare themselves for their third                                                            
try to pass  the test.  In the last  two weeks, over 200  hours have                                                            
been  expended  to prepare  and  organize  for the  exit  exam.   On                                                            
Tuesday, about one-half  of Dimond students will be taking the test.                                                            
He   likes  the   uniform   standards   reporting   information   on                                                            
transcripts.   We need  to have a  statewide database  and a  way to                                                            
track those students  because Dimond has a 25 percent  mobility rate                                                            
which equates  to about 500 students per school year.   Many of them                                                            
come  from villages  and Dimond  must  seek out  individually  which                                                            
tests they have passed.   He also likes the suggestion to administer                                                            
tests on non-school days.   Dimond just cannot afford to give up any                                                            
more in-service  days.  Dimond  is trying  to offer new courses  and                                                            
remedial  courses and other  things to help  students pass  the test                                                            
but  teachers need  time to  work  on these  things.   To take  away                                                            
anymore in-service days will impact the quality of education.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. OKADA said  he also supports uniform  pre-exam study  materials,                                                            
as well as uniform language  for administering the exam.  Addressing                                                            
students who  transfer from in state  and out of state is  critical.                                                            
He has three  concerns with  this proposal.   The first phase  is so                                                            
immediate that  he does not see how  it can be implemented  in time.                                                            
Second,  he fears we  are moving  toward a tracking  system  for our                                                            
students.   Dimond High School and  four of the others in  Anchorage                                                            
are working  toward creating  smaller learning  communities.   These                                                            
include opportunities  for students  to meet in smaller groups  in a                                                            
large high  school of 2,000 students.   He is afraid that  this will                                                            
derail  those  efforts.   Also,  the  proposal  calls for  some  new                                                            
courses, which takes away from local control.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN said  she has  seen curriculum  meetings  occurring  at                                                            
hotels  in  Anchorage  on weekends  that  are  organized  by  DOEED,                                                            
however the  participants are  teachers.  She  thought that  is what                                                            
the proposal  refers to, rather than  what textbooks schools  should                                                            
use, etc.  She  does not think the state board of  education has any                                                            
desire to dictate  curriculum.  She favors trying  to maintain local                                                            
control,  but some  districts  are  not offering  what  needs to  be                                                            
offered.   She was  surprised to learn  there is  no mention  of the                                                            
transcript  in  statute.    Personally  she  would  rather  see  the                                                            
transcript  become the vehicle  that carries  the information  about                                                            
the student  rather than  the diploma.   It is  the transcript  that                                                            
follows students to college and to the employer.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. OKADA said  he is also concerned  about the requirements  of the                                                            
IEP  team,  counselors,  administrators  or  teachers.    About  250                                                            
juniors  at Dimond have  not passed  the math  portion of the  exam.                                                            
Writing recommendations  for those students will create a tremendous                                                            
workload.   He thinks differentiated  diplomas  are a good  idea but                                                            
the workload  will have to be simplified  or resources will  have to                                                            
be  provided  to  schools  to  handle  the demand.    He  asked  the                                                            
committee  to look at  the timeline  more carefully,  to fully  fund                                                            
whatever is mandated,  and to leave curriculum development  to local                                                            
school  districts.    He urged  committee  members  to  solicit  the                                                            
opinions of practitioners on this issue.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN said  that a solution  somewhere  in between  requiring                                                            
passage  of the  exit exam  to receive  a diploma  and her  proposal                                                            
would probably be suitable.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1295                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEVE CATHERS, Valdez  City School District Superintendent, told                                                            
committee members  he is testifying  on his own behalf.   He is also                                                            
President-elect  of the Alaska Association of School  Administrators                                                            
(AASA).  He supports standards  and the qualifying exam.  There have                                                            
been significant  changes  in student seriousness  and in  classroom                                                            
content and  methods because  of high stakes  testing and  statewide                                                            
standards.   The  challenge  before us  now  is to  continue in  the                                                            
direction of  school improvement and  avoid technical pitfalls  that                                                            
might derail  us in  our forward  momentum.   Regarding the  Indiana                                                            
plan, proposed  by Senator  Green, he  supports it  in general.   It                                                            
offers  a critical  opportunity for  fairness to  students who  have                                                            
legitimate reasons  for not passing the qualifying  exam.  It is not                                                            
the only possible  solution to mounting  problems with implementing                                                             
the exam next year, it would address the most serious problems.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CATHERS  stated  that  anyone  who says  no  students  will  be                                                            
discriminated against under  the current law is oversimplifying both                                                            
the education and legal  rights issues.  The notion that the current                                                            
system  will   fix  itself,  if  we   proceed  blindly,   is  wrong.                                                            
Constituents  in his district are  braced to suit the state  and the                                                            
district over  special education issues  now.  He and Mr.  Hargraves                                                            
audio-conferenced  yesterday  with  the  executive director  of  the                                                            
Indiana Association  of School Administrators  Roger Thornton  about                                                            
problems  they  experienced  with their  implementation  of  Senator                                                            
Green's provisions.   His  opinion is that  Indiana has implemented                                                             
high stakes testing  smoothly because of the waiver  option in their                                                            
law.  It  should be noted  that many of  the provisions in  the HESS                                                            
Committee's  proposal, according  to Mr. Thornton,  were not  in the                                                            
original  Indiana bill,  but  were developed  as  regulation by  the                                                            
Indiana  Department of  Education.   He indicated  the Indiana  bill                                                            
only  required  there  be  a  waiver  option  for  certain  reasons,                                                            
including special education and vocational education.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. CATHER  stated  that critics  of the HESS  Committee's  proposal                                                            
will say  it lowers  standards and  relies on  subjective measure  -                                                            
student grades.   His first reaction  was the same.  However,  after                                                            
speaking  with Mr.  Thornton and  considering the  plan further,  he                                                            
feels it  is a creative  and  meritorious idea  which shows  insight                                                            
into  educational  realities.   The  plan does  not  offer a  waiver                                                            
indiscriminately.   It is specific  in its requirements.   The grade                                                            
and attendance  requirements are only two criteria  and if a teacher                                                            
and  an administrator   recommendation  is needed,  there  is  every                                                            
opportunity  to screen  out students  who are  not good candidates.                                                             
Grades, while subjective,  are much more reliable than many believe.                                                            
There  is a  stronger correlation  between  high  school grades  and                                                            
college  success  than there  is  between  test scores  and  college                                                            
success.   Grading practices  have  also changed  over the last  ten                                                            
years.  Teachers  now must document  and objectify grades  more than                                                            
ever  because  of  successful   suits  about  sloppy  grading.    He                                                            
suggested that if grades  and attendance are to be used as a waiver,                                                            
they should  be phased in so that  they only apply to 11th  and 12th                                                            
grades next  year, 10th, 11th and  12th grades the following  years,                                                            
and all  four years  of high  school  the following  year.   Without                                                            
that,  he  foresees  some  due  process  challenges  tying  up  many                                                            
districts in the state.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. CATHER said  another significant feature of the  bill is that it                                                            
requires remediation in  every case.  That is commendable and speaks                                                            
to the  intent  of the qualifying  exam  directly.   In some  cases,                                                            
alternative assessments  are required.  To not allow  that practice,                                                            
at  least  in  certain   circumstances,  begs  a  legal   challenge.                                                            
Remediation  efforts must be promoted  statewide, regardless  of the                                                            
direction the  legislature takes on  the qualifying exam  issue.  To                                                            
tackle  the question  of the  correct way  to improve  our  schools,                                                            
there  is  no  silver   bullet.    All  districts,   DOEED  and  the                                                            
legislature  must work together  to improve  education in the  state                                                            
through a multitude  of efforts.   He offers the record of  Unalaska                                                            
City Schools  of one of  many examples in  the state of significant                                                             
improvement and  high achievement.  The board and  staff at Unalaska                                                            
City School District has  taken many energetic and bold steps during                                                            
the last five  years to make student  achievement its top  priority.                                                            
The result for  Unalaska has been enviable benchmark  and qualifying                                                            
exam  scores  and being  named  this  fall as  one  of the  top  100                                                            
districts  in  the  nation  by  an  independent  research  group  as                                                            
published  in Offspring  Magazine.   Unalaska  was  the only  Alaska                                                          
district to receive this honor.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CATHERS explained that  Unalaska was able to achieve its goal by                                                            
a  combination  of hard  work,  staff  commitment,  effective  staff                                                            
development,   curriculum    development   and   alignment,    close                                                            
supervision  of  staff,  a strong  student  discipline  system,  and                                                            
targeted remediation.   Though it was painful at times,  a number of                                                            
mediocre teachers  were not retained  over several years  time.  The                                                            
willingness  by the board to not retain  teachers who were  the best                                                            
was a factor for Unalaska.   He also believes it enhanced the status                                                            
of all good teachers.   A strong commitment to remediation  was made                                                            
five years  ago and summer school  was implemented.  Other  remedial                                                            
activities, such  as weekend exit exam boot camp,  were offered with                                                            
a  targeted skills  approach  also.   It  is not  easy  for a  small                                                            
district  to fund  this kind of  program.   It must  be done at  the                                                            
expense of other programs.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. CATHERS told  the committee that school improvement  will happen                                                            
without strong school leadership.    He urged them to support school                                                            
leaders who  work largely  in isolation from  collegial support  and                                                            
often for less  daily pay than those they supervise.   He fears with                                                            
the  administrator  shortage  that  looms  in  Alaska,  all  quality                                                            
schools efforts will fail if that is not addressed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN said that she  hadn't heard about the shortage of school                                                            
administrators.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CATHER offered to send her articles.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked Mr. Wes Knapp to testify.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WES KNAPP,  Aleutian East Island  Borough School District,  told                                                            
committee members  that he spent 40  years in education,  30 of them                                                            
in New  York  where the  Regents exam  is  required.   The New  York                                                            
Regents Exam's  70 year history  was called  into question  about 10                                                            
years ago  and the  school diploma  system has  been phased  out and                                                            
replaced with one test  that all students must now pass.  In Alaska,                                                            
if  we  do not  address  the  special  needs  students  we  will  be                                                            
disenfranchising special  needs students who, even after meeting IEP                                                            
goals, will  be told  if they don't  pass the  same test as  others,                                                            
they will not  get a diploma.  Students will become  discouraged and                                                            
the drop  out rate  will increase.   If special  education  students                                                            
meet the  goals defined for  them by their  IEP, they should  not be                                                            
denied  graduation.   Although he  supports standards,  he  suggests                                                            
that requiring  a paper and pencil test given on a  specific date is                                                            
not a standards-based  instrument.  Students who receive  standards-                                                            
based instruction  should  be tested when  educators feel they  have                                                            
reached a target  or goal, not a specific day prescribed  by someone                                                            
in Juneau.  He applauds  the efforts to address the needs of special                                                            
education  students,   and  other  students  as   well.    The  test                                                            
requirements and diploma  issue needs more time and deliberation; we                                                            
should  not attempt  to implement  something that  is flawed  or not                                                            
well thought  out.  More  time is needed to  study this issue.   The                                                            
HSGQE  is  based  on a  norm-based  testing  model,  rather  than  a                                                            
standards-based  test.  He  encouraged legislators  to solicit  more                                                            
input from  educators and  to examine the  possibility of  different                                                            
types  of diplomas.   While  some states  may have  phased out  that                                                            
approach,  the fact  that that  approach lasted  as  long as it  did                                                            
requires that we give it more thought.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1790                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. ROBYN  REHMANN, Director  of Anchorage  School District  Special                                                            
Education,  stated that this  issue is vitally  important to  all of                                                            
the students  in  our state.   If done  properly,  the proposal  for                                                            
standards and  the exit exam will  certainly raise the abilities  of                                                            
all of our students.  Districts,  schools and teachers are currently                                                            
examining their curricula,  how students learn, and raising outcomes                                                            
for all children.   The proposal for  differentiated diplomas  is an                                                            
important one.   She is hesitant to accept it, however,  because she                                                            
is concerned  it  could cause  a significant  backlash  in terms  of                                                            
tracking students based  on performance.  It could limit students in                                                            
terms of  potential and ability.   She is  also concerned about  the                                                            
required  remediation  classes and  the impact  that  could have  on                                                            
students who  do have disabilities  that are able to compensate  and                                                            
move  to a  higher level  of  instruction.   If those  students  are                                                            
trapped  in a  series of  remedial courses,  they  will be  severely                                                            
penalized.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. REHMANN  said she is very interested  in the proposal  put forth                                                            
by the Kenai Peninsula  Borough School District, which is to offer a                                                            
basic foundational  diploma  with endorsements  for each portion  of                                                            
the  exit exam  passed.   She  highly encourages  the  committee  to                                                            
support  federal  law, where  students  on IEPs  and  504 plans  are                                                            
included in all  statewide assessments - looking at  a wider variety                                                            
of accommodations  and modifications  available  to those  students,                                                            
that are  related to  their IEPs.   She asked  committee members  to                                                            
look  at  expanding   opportunities  for  students  to  demonstrate                                                             
competency and  opportunities for alternate assessments.   She asked                                                            
legislators  to not limit or label  students in any way and  instead                                                            
to  work with  educators  and  students  to ensure  success  of  all                                                            
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. Darrol Hargraves  once again thanked the committee  for the time                                                            
it has spent on this issue.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further testimony,  CHAIR GREEN noted that  Mr. John                                                            
Lilibet  (ph) of the  Governing  Board of Alaska  School  Counselors                                                            
Association submitted written testimony in support of the delay of                                                              
the implementation of the HSGQE until 2006.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN then adjourned the meeting at 12:45 p.m.                                                                            

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